Saturday, October 9, 2010

Stages of Debt Counselling (or Debt Reivew) with Deadlines for each Step

It should take about 60 days or less to deal with a debt counselling matter. But it can take up to 100 days or much longer to have

the matter solved or put in its rightful place and back on track if the parties are disagreeing all the time at various stages or

they dispute some aspects during the process.

In a perfect world, where everybody plays by the rules and nobody tries to infringe on others rights the process is supposed to

flow as follows below.


CN stands for = consumer
CP stands for = credit provider
DC stands for = debt counsellor


Preliminary Days (Early Days) before debt counselling comes into the picture
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day -180 to -10  : CP must send CN section 129 letter
                 : Section 129 letter must "advise" CN of his right to debt counselling
                 : CN may negotiate arrangements directly with CP to cover arrears
                 : Alternatively CN "may" consult a debt counsellor
day  -10 to  0   : CN must seriously consider consulting with a debt counsellor
                 : If CN does Not consult a debt counsellor by day Zero
                 : -- CP may enforce the credit agreement
                 : -- CN to bear the full consequences of this enforcement
                 : -- If CN "only" approaches DC "after" receiving summons
                 : -- -- This credit agreement for the summons may NOT be included in the debt counselling!!
                 : -- -- Only "other" credit agreements will be allowed as we go into debt counselling below

Debt Counselling only comes into the picture from here below
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day  1 to day 5  : DC & CN must fill Form 16 (application for debt counselling)
                 : CN must pay application fee to DC
                 : DC must update NCR debt help website (NCR debt help will notify all Credit Bureaus)
                 : DC must obtain CN input docs = payslip, bank stat, account stat, credit bureau report
day  5 to day 10 : DC must send Form 17.1
                 : DC must update NCR debt help website
                 : DC must obtain COB from CP (regulation 24)
day 10 to day 15 : DC must send reminder to CP if COB still Not received
day 15 to day 20 : DC must verify all information that is currently in his possession
                 : If information is all green
                 : -- DC is now ready to build proposal
                 : If information is NOT all green
                 : -- DC may NOT proceed to build proposal
day 20 to day 25 : DC must send 17.2 and proposals to CPs
                 : If information verification above was NOT all green
                 : -- DC will probably fail to prepare and send proposal to CP "in allowed time"
                 : -- CN must pay rejection fee (R300) to DC
                 : -- DC may terminate relationship with CN (Form 17.4) & the whole debt review
                 : -- CN may approach "another" debt counsellor (normally a FUTILE exercise) !
                 : -- DC may optionally "forge ahead" with the proposal and send it, despite being "late".
                 : -- CP will soon close-in on CN and look for opportunity to enforce the credit agreement
                 : DC must update NCR debt help website 
                 : If proposal is sent to CP and CN decides to withdraw from Debt Counselling
                 : -- CN must pay 75% of restructuring fee (R2250 / R3000) to DC
                 : -- DC must terminate relationship with CN (Form 17.4) & the whole debt review
                 : -- CP will soon close-in on CN and look for opportunity to enforce the credit agreement
                 : If DC out of his "own making" does Not send proposal to CP in this allowed time
                 : -- DC must refund ALL money collected from CN back to CN
                 : -- CN may seek relief from NCR
                 : -- DC must terminate relationship with CN (Form 17.4) & the whole debt review
                 : -- CN may approach "another" debt counsellor (normally a FUTILE exercise) !
                 : -- DC may optionally "forge ahead" with the proposal and send it, despite being "late".
                 : -- CP will soon close-in on CN and look for opportunity to enforce the credit agreement
day 25 to day 30 : CN must pay DC restructuring fees
                 : CP must send reminder to DC if proposal still Not received
                 : If CN does Not pay DC the restructuring fee
                 : -- DC may terminate relationship with CN (Form 17.4) & the whole debt review
                 : -- CN may approach "another" debt counsellor (normally a FUTILE exercise) !
                 : -- CP will soon close-in on CN and look for opportunity to enforce the credit agreement
day 30 to day 40 : CP must consider proposal and respond
day 40 to day 45 : DC must send reminder to CP if response still Not received
day 45 to day 60 : DC & CP must set-down the matter (Consent Order)
                 : If CP & DC agree on proposal
                 : -- DC must update NCR debt help website 
                 : -- CN must pay legal fees
                 : -- DC must make court application (App must seek Consent Order for proposal)
                 : -- Court "will" rule in favour of CN
                 : -- DC must obtain Consent Order and share a copy with CP
                 : -- CN must begin paying restructured installments as per proposal
                 : -- CN must begin paying DC monthly after-care fee
                 : -- At end of payment term, DC must issue CN with clearance certificate, Case is Closed !
                 : -- If CN defaults during payment term
                 : -- -- DC may terminate relationship with CN (Form 17.4) & the whole debt review
                 : -- -- CP may enforce the credit agreement
                 : -- -- CN to bear full consequences of the enforcement
                 : -- -- But "change of consumer's circumstances" may be allowed in court !
                 : If CP & DC disagree on proposal
                 : -- DC must update NCR debt help website 
                 : -- DC must refer the matter to court
                 : -- DC must help CN to fill Form 18
                 : -- CN must pay legal fees
                 : -- DC must make court application (App must seek Consent Order for proposal)
day 60 to day 70 : -- CP "may" send notice to terminate the debt review (Section 86(10))
                 : -- If court rules in favour of CN
                 : -- -- Court will order that the Debt Review process be extended/resume
                 : -- -- DC must obtain Consent Order and share a copy with CP
                 : -- -- CN must begin paying restructured installments as per proposal
                 : -- -- CN must begin paying DC monthly after-care fee
                 : -- -- At end of payment term, DC must issue CN with clearance certificate, Case is Closed !
                 : -- -- If CN defaults during payment term
                 : -- -- -- DC may terminate relationship with CN (Form 17.4) & the whole debt review
                 : -- -- -- CP may enforce the credit agreement
                 : -- -- -- CN to bear full consequences of the enforcement
                 : -- -- -- But "change of consumer's circumstances" may be allowed in court !
                 : -- If court rules against CN
                 : -- -- CP may enforce the credit agreement
                 : -- -- CN to bear full consequences of the ruling
day 70 to day ~  : CP may make a High Court application to enforce the credit agreement (bypassing the Magistrate's Court)
                 : If DC's earlier court application is still pending before the Magistrate's Court
                 : -- CN may (and ideally "should") defend on the CP's High Court application
                 : -- CN must (unfortunately) pay legal costs for his defense (could be significant!)
                 : -- If high court rules in favour of CN
                 : -- -- CP's High Court app gets dismissed
                 : -- -- CP has to "wait" for resolution of the pending matter at Magistrate's Court
                 : -- If high court rules against CN
                 : -- -- CP may enforce the credit agreement
                 : -- -- CN to bear full consequences of the ruling
                 : -- -- Notwithstanding, CN most likely will have to also pay CP's legal costs !
                 : If NO matter is pending before the Magistrate's Court
                 : -- CN should ideally "NOT" defend the CP's High Court application
                 : -- CP may enforce the credit agreement
                 : -- CN to bear full consequences of the enforcement

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Yea, that's it guys ! Sorry for the text "over-running" on the sides, i had to force or make sure that each line sits horizontally

so that it does Not wrap onto the line below and mess the structure of the alignment. You can just look carefully and scroll

sideways where necessary to read the longer line.

I am going to turn this into a Neural Diagram which will show the flow in a pictorial/diagramatic way so that we can all see how

sophisticated it can be :)

Thank you guys for visiting and taking a look at this.

Tuesday, September 21, 2010

Solving_A_Case_By_BASA_Training_Rules


last updated September 2010 - you can also download this info in all the posts below in document format from this link  =  http://afyb.co.cc   , well do that after you READ IT first ! :))



From the NCR Form 42 (Quaterly Report to be submitted by Debt
Counsellor to NCR), we see the following "debt types" with
their short codes (this table is ASLO in the BASA Training manual)

DEBT TYPE
CODE
MAX TERM FROM ORIG. DATE
NEW TERM MUST NEVER EXCEED
Micro Lender
ML
Orig Term x 3

Bank - Credit Card
BC
 60 months
 60  months
Bank - Bond
BB
360 months
240  months
Bank - Overdraft
BO
 60 months
 60  months
Bank - Vehicle
BV
Orig Term x 1.5
 84  months
Retailer - Furniture
RF
 60 months
 60  months
Retailer - Clothing
RC
 60 months
 60  months
Retailer - Other
RO
 60 months
 60  months
Legal Firm / Collections
L
 60 months
 60  months
Other
O
 60 months
 60  months

From the BASA Training, based on its "debt type", we see what the
maximum term for each restructured debt should be

Interest may be reduced if :
·                     Home loans don’t solve within 240 months from date of proposal, with a maximum term of 360 months from original contract date
·                     Vehicle loans do not solve within the original contract term x 1,5 or a maximum term of 84 months from the contract date
·                     Short terms loans, loans repayable in less than 12 months, don’t solve within the original contract term x 3 from the contract date.
·                     Other agreements do not solve within 60 months from the proposal date.
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·                     The interest rate reduction is done by taking the agreement with the highest rate and reducing it to the same rate as the next highest agreement
·                     If a solution is found then the reduction stops there, if not then both of those agreements are reduced to the next highest and so on
·                     If no resolution is reached at this point the debt counsellor may formulate the proposal in any way that is appropriate.

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List_Of_Creditors_Or_Respondents_For_Court_Referral_-_Mr._Adam_Gale_+_Mrs._Mary_Gale




Attention To The Attorney : Wilston Gilovine Inc.


Below is a list of parties (creditors) who must receive disbursements and summonses for the debt review case of our client, Mr. Adam Gale and his spouse, Mrs. Mary Gale  . 

You can also use this list if you're a Debt Counsellor and you were looking for a list of addresses where summonses should be sent for the various credit providers (popular creditors only).  Check below.

NB: Disbursements and summonses must be sent out no later than 6 September 2010. But we would ideally prefer to have these documents go out as early as 27 August 2010 !!


List of identified respondents

No.
Details
1)   
FNB
First Rand Bank Debt Review Centre
3 First Place, 4th Floor, Bank City
Simmonds Street
Johannesburg
Tel :  0860 36 2002
Fax :  011 352 7398
Email :  FRBDebtReviewCentre@FirstRandBank.co.za
2)   
HI-Finance, Hi-Fi Corp
JDG Trading (Pty) Limited - Customer Service & Legal
300 Kent Street
Randburg
2194
Tel :  010 211 1338
Fax :  086 6444  941
Mail: yolandb@jdg.co.za
3)   
Sanlam Personal Loans
They are represented by Direct Axis
Please use the contact details of  Direct Axis below / above
4)   
Direct Axis
DA Campus 108 De Waal Road
Diep River,  7800
Tel :  021 764 3545
Fax :  021 764 9917
Email :  ncacollections@directaxis.co.za
5)   
Wesbank Debt Review Centre
2nd Floor, Wesbank House
Enterprise Road, Fairland
Johannesburg, 1066.
Tel :  011 632 7938
Fax :  011 649 8010
Email :  wesbankdrcproposals@wesbank.co.za
6)   
ABSA
They are represented by Consumer Friend
Please use the contact details of Consumer Friend below / above
7)   
Consumer Friend (they used to be known as Easton-Berry Inc)
3 The Crescent East
Westway Office Park
Westville
3630
Tel :  031 251 4150
Fax :  031 251 4252
Email :  nca@consumerfriend.co.za
8)   
Standard Bank
Debt Review Department - Customer Debt Management
Standard Bank Centre 17th Floor
45 Commissioner Street
Johannesburg
2001
Tel :  0861 111 402
Fax :  +27 (0) 11 227 4821
Email :  DRProposals@standardbank.co.za
9)   
Nedbank
Debt Rehabilitation & Recovery Services
100 Main Street
Johannesburg
2000
Tel :  011 630 6906
Fax :  011 630 6420
Email :  debtcounselling@nedbank.co.za
10)  
Motor Finance Corporation
P. O. Box 4005
Edenvale
1610
Tel :  011 879 9222
Fax :  011 997 1195
Email :  ncadispute@mfc.co.za
11)  
Nissan Finance
They are represented by Wesbank Debt Review Centre
Please use the contact details of  Wesbank Debt Review Centre below / above
12)  
Land Rover Financial Services
They are represented by Consumer Friend
Please use the contact details of  Consumer Friend below / above
13)  
Alphera Financial Services
They are represented by BMW Financial Services
Please use the contact details of  BMW Financial Services below / above
14)  
BMW Financial Services
Mrs. Angelique Ferreira - Debt Review Analyst
Mr. Coen Ackermann - Collections Manager
No. 1 Bavaria Avenue
Randjespark Ext. 17
Midrand
1685
Tel :  011 541 7567
Fax :  012 564 7688
Email :  debt.review@bmwfinance.co.za
15)  
African Bank
59 Sixteenth Road (16th  Road)
Midrand
1685
Tel :  011 256 9323
Fax :  086 603 0951
Email :  debtcounselling@africanbank.co.za
16)  
Edgars – Edcon Group
1 Press Avenue
Edgardale
Crown Mines
2092
Tel :  0114989285
Fax :  0114989285
Email :  debtreview@edcon.co.za
17)  
RCS – RCS Cards
They are represented by Consumer Friend
Please use the contact details of Consumer Friend below / above
18)  
Sa Taxi Securitisation (Pty) Ltd
230 Jan Smuts Avenue
Dunkeld West
Johannesburg
2196  
Tel :  086182-9448
Fax :  011447-2885
Email :  debtreview@sataxifinance.co.za


Credit_Bureaus_-_NCR_Registered_Credit_Bureaus


Last updated September 2010
Contrary to popular belief amongst debt counsellors, filling the form on the NCR Debt Help website and saying that after you filled that form and submitted the consumer's details thereon, the NCR will "forward" the consumer's details to ALL the credit bureaus "notifying" them of the fact that the consumer is under debt review, as required by section 86, is NOT a PROVEN FACT !!!  There is a very high likelihood that the form on the NCR debt help website does NOT do any such thing as "forwarding" the notice to the credit bureaus. This is an assumption that is so common amongst many debt counsellors, and it may be a WRONG ASSUMPTION. I'll need to see proof of it in order to believe it !! If there is any debt counsellor who can prove to me that the credit bureaus are indeed "notified" by the NCR debt help website that a consumer is under debt review, then I will be convinced, otherwise I will stay with my position on this matter, which is that a debt counsellor MUST NOTIFY ALL THE CREDIT BUREAUS that a consumer is under debt review as is REQUIRED BY SECTION 86, period ! NOT doing this as a debt counsellor, you may be failing to follow "due process" ! You have been warned J . . .
Here is a list of the credit bureaus and their fax numbers. It appears to me that credit bureaus largely do NOT have email addresses for receiving debt review notifications, so unfortunately you'll have to go back to FAX MACHINES and send them the notification by fax.
Compuscan Information Technologies (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   021 888 2336
Consumer Profile Bureau (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   011 412 4030
Experian South Africa (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   011 463 3988
Kroll Background Screening (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   012 644 2055
Lexis Nexis Risk Management (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   086 687 3562
27866873562@faxwhiz.com
Micro Lenders Credit Bureau (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   011 412 4030
Robertsons International Reports (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   011 781 0521
27117810521@faxwhiz.com
Tenant Profile Network (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   011 234 7803
27112347803@faxwhiz.com
Transunion Credit Bureau (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   011 214 6222
27112146222@faxwhiz.com
Xpert Decision Systems (Pty) Ltd
Fax :   011 484 6588
27114846588@faxwhiz.com


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